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Alicia Skarimbas MD's avatar

Dear Claire: only a trustworthy person makes such a completely honest admission that they were wrong. How refreshing. I am angry and depressed because all day I take care of the elderly sick and dying. I have no medicine that works. People expect me to have medicine that works, I’m a doctor and we can always save everyone on TV! No one expects you to have the insight of an epidemiologist. Just continue to be a careful observer. Best regards, Alicia Skarimbas

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”A long list of nations in fact banned all incoming travelers from China—that is, they did what Trump claims to have done—well before Trump’s announcement. ”

No true. Neither the US government nor the President ever claimed to ”ban all incoming travelers”, as stated above, nor ever claimed to ban all “flights”. The US order on the CDC site is clear: “Foreign nationals who have visited one of these countries in the past 14 days may not enter the United States: China...”. Important exceptions to this order include i) US nationals who were allowed to return from China, subject to a 14 day quarantine, and ii) trade cargo. Both would involve flights or marine vessels, the former with small crew numbers who no doubt are similarly restrained in movement before leaving the US.

The change to US-China human travel from the order does not require speculation, as the US State Dept posts it’s VISA stats. In Dec 2019 for instance, Non-immigrant VISAs granted to Chinese nationals were about 85 thousand for the month. In Feb 2020, the same VISA metric fell almost 20x to some four thousand, which likely covers cargo crews for the month.

The argument that the travel order was ineffective because Chinese nationals had already traveled to the US is odd, so too notion the pre-existence of US cases makes travel orders moot. Even casual attention to mitigation of the virus shows it is numbers game, not some kind of spacecraft air-lock. For instance, we don’t see claims that stay-at-home guidance is made moot because of the weekly grocery store, pharmacy, and exercise outings.

Last, Fauci’s opinion must win over amateur speculation on travel:

“One of the things that we did very early and very aggressively, the president put the travel restriction coming from China to the United States and most recently from Europe to the United States because Europe is really the new China. Again I don’t know why this is happening there [Italy] to such an extent, but it is conceivable that once you get so many of these spreads out they spread exponentially and you can never keep up with the tsunami.” -March 21

BTW - Very much enjoyed your Thatcher book.

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