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Sir Jay's avatar

Fascinating Claire. Indeed we need to stop asking why people are rioting and sticking onto it some retrospective cause, made up in the post-delirium of the event, and then reporting housing or whatever caused it. No. Social media is causing it. The video of George Floyd getting killed made injustice highly visible, then it became an excuse for lefties to indulge their narcissism as they paraded through the streets with their phones out putting their attendance on public display for the consumption by one's followers, and like a Puritan because wokeness is religious, to feel oneself earning God's grace cleansed of sin by participation in a reckoning. It degenerated into the license to loot, because injustice made looting justified as revenge. The Jan 6 insurrection on the other hand was one of those purposive riots--Stop the steal--undertaken to stop Biden becoming president, although it was pretty symbolic in its own right with all those MAGA people standing around for hours taking pictures of themselves doing something epic before finally storming in. The riots in France are just the French being French, but the rioting Frenchness is worsening, as it is abetted by social media-induced incentives. The "networking" and "emergent" explain how they take place and prescribe a way to deal with them. What I think we need to do is train a new era of policeman to track and prevent a new species of rioter rioting in greater frequency. Why they riot is immaterial. You said in the beginning sometimes it come from a deprivation suggesting one's needs are exceeding one's ability to satisfy them in the prevailing environment. Why people riot in greater frequency now, we may as well just attribute to narcissism. Who goes spontaneously to do something like this in a first world country, who doesn't have an outsize sense of their own importance and a desperate need for validation. If the internet promulgates it, then suppose the internet and how it has degraded man is also the primary cause. Now I'm only talking about riots in the first world. Where Iran was convulsed with protests for example was a different story, or Ukraine's Maidan uprising or the protests to the judicial reforms in Israel. These are less riots actually than protests and if the internet aids them, then that's good for democracy and freedom. The internet should empower people to revolt in Iran, but where it happens in a first world country, where people are torching cars because of pensions modified by two years or because Trump told you to stop the steal is ridiculous, novel, and radical. Riots are abhorrent orgies of petty victimhood and entitlement.

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Thomas M Gregg's avatar

Remember the Id Monster from that classic of SF cinema, "Forbidden Planet"? There you have the mover and author of Riot.

When you look at it straight on, purging your mind of conventional wisdom and social-science claptrap, it becomes obvious that the murder of some hapless petty criminal like George Floyd is not the cause of riotous behavior. The victim, in France as in America, is merely the sacrificial offering that the mob needs to justify its Dionysian bacchanal.

It may well be true that France needs police reform. But would police reform really make a difference? I think not. You can reform the cops, but not the alienated populations with whom the cops would still have to deal. America has not quite so existential a policing problem. Even here, however, police reform doesn't live up to the claims made on its behalf. Cities like Baltimore and Chicago have minority/majority police departments, yet relations between the cops and minority communities are abysmal. On the bottom line, it seems, BIPOC police officers are not black, brown, or yellow, but blue.

I absolutely do not believe that social science metrics tell us anything useful about riots. Whatever their original justification, riots quickly devolve into atavistic, barbarian, smash-and-grab street festivals. Our understanding of them should begin and end with an admittance that human nature is treacherous and not to be trusted. If this were not so, we wouldn't need the police at all.

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