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This is Tim writing from Rachel's account. She asked me to share my observations.

When we were in college in the early 2000s the million-dollar question circulating in the philosophy/history/theology circles was: "Post-modern relativism ending; what comes next?" I think we are seeing what comes next in what you have identified as "re-enchantment."

I'm not familiar with the Weber you were citing, but it seems that his idea of disenchantment is well-attested in the likes of Nietzsche, T.S. Eliot, Yeats, and any number of thinkers who bewailed the desolation of industrialization and the Lost Generation of WWI. The roots of the disenchantment go to the Enlightenment and beyond, but the bitter fruits really only became evident in the 20th century.

You are on to something when you say that Trump is benefiting from a "longing for re-enchantment." The examples you give of the religious right, nerd reich, rejection of medicine for magic, and alternative facts are all apropos of the negative shadow side of re-enchantment. These indicate a grasping at power through a search for meaning. There is a positive side, however.

Re-enchantment is not merely a rejection of rationality. In the Christian circles where I live and work there is much hope in an apparent upturn of people actually finding meaning and not just searching for it. They are finding it outside themselves and not merely imposing it on themselves the way the disenchanted world seemed to require it.

Your article is only the latest place that I have encountered re-enchantment as an observation of what's going on in the world. And yours is the only place I have seen focus on the negative results of it. I first felt it when I read the works of C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien in their task of providing new myths for the contemporary west. I first heard the word circulated as a kind of underground in-joke in Eastern Orthodox and Traditional Catholic podcasts. It was then given fuller exposition through the public work of people like Jordan Peterson, Jonathan Pageau, and Bishop Robert Barron. And the most comprehensive treatment of it I've seen, including actual statistical data, is in the work of Justin Brierley (https://justinbrierley.com/the-surprising-rebirth-of-belief-in-god).

All that to say... I think you are right in identifying what unifies the weird Trump coalition. Re-enchantment tends away from the legal-rational legitimacy. Trump is doing a lot of damage. And there is a bigger picture that includes some hope.

To answer your final few questions regarding whether democracy has a chance, I just point to Plato in the Republic where he shows democracy as the last step on the road to tyranny. It's a good thing that government doesn't determine our final destiny.

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So much in my head, so I will likely have to blog this/break it up. Interesting you brought up Weber, because I've thought of him, on and off, several times in recent years--pertaining to both the concept of lost enchantment but also the evolution of bureaucracy.

My smatterings of Weber taught me important ideas about bureaucracy while I still worked in one of the world's most powerful, impenetrable examples: DOD. As an English Lit major, I'd long processed/understood the limitations of modernity. So, my take on bureaucracy (esp. living it. Anyone ever dealt with a Dept of the Army civilian bureaucrat? It's like being in an episode of Futurama) evolved in a healthy way from that knowledge.

My reflection was that bureaucracy was the organizational equivalent of Churchill's comment on democracy--the worst system, except for all the others that came before it and had sucked WAY worse. Kori Schake on Deep State Radio in the late aughts; more recent writing by Heather Cox Richardson also made me appreciate the goodness of established governmental structure that ISN'T about loyalty and doesn't whipsaw-wholesale change every 4 years (or worse, stay in power forever if its ruler does). My point here, I guess, is how many people raised in the last 50 years 1) took any sort of civics and 2) even know WTF Weber IS? If you don't learn these things, you're counting on the ability of a lot of ordinary people to infer a whole lotta shit from life experience. <gulp>

On the enchantment...my dad's a big-time autodidact; reads disparately/more than most. Fifteen years ago he told me a well-kept secret in America was that one of the blocs supporting freedom of religion and strong presence of churches et al in society was...scientists. I have no idea where he read this, but I assure you it was a book. Anyway, he said scientists--a good number, anyway--had long realized science alone would never fully satisfy and nurture ordinary people's imagination and need for myth and spirituality. So they supported a strong religious presence in society--so long as it remained separate from the government. I'm confident in saying the mainstream left emerging in the Clinton Era--AKA The Virtue Party--never quite saw it that way.

But you asked where is this going. I have only one certainty: there WILL be a reckoning. What is uncertain is if that is a reckoning we survive, internalize and make use of, or externalize, quasi-Russian style, destroy many and learn nothing from. As Americans, we historically tend to half-ass it--which sounds terrible, until you realize most societies quarter-ass it or worse. Russia (do I pick on Russia? Yes. Do they deserve it? Is there a stronger term than f*ck yes?) goes oh-fer, like clockwork. And continues to suck and suck hard--so much so, that half the rest of the world seems to pay a price for it.

Two things you mentioned feel congruous to my salient thinking this past week: "This does not necessarily mean revolution: It can also mean apathy, cynicism, or a flight to charismatic alternatives," and "It seems plausible to imagine that Weber is right: We’re ripping it all up from the roots because our form of governance has left too many people bereft of a sense of meaning." In the discussion thread to HCR's letter on 29 April re: FDR, I'd written a major problem we have is lack of engagement with/from Millennials. That the 50501 protests were largely attended by Boomers and GenX. One response I got: "the Millennial and Generation Z people I know do not protest because they are convinced resistance is futile. Their despair has two facets: they believe that, were resistance to become effective, the Regime will murder as many resistors as it takes to permanently eliminate opposition. Beyond that, they believe that because of patriarchy's misogynistic disregard of our Mother Earth -- and capitalism's ecogenocidal rape of her physical being -- we are living on a dying planet, or at the very least, a planet that has turned against our species. and that we are therefore doomed no matter what we do."

Whew! But I think a LOT of that speaks to what you wrote Claire, and I think we elders aren't taking nearly enough time in our reflections to see the world how our youngers see it. GenX split itself on Weber's insight. Millennials were brought up to believe in its infallibility (and were encouraged--so long as they acted in line, by Boomers)...then adulthood and reality came and beat them down and out ever since. And we didn't TEACH them a lot of resiliency to begin with, so now their answer is "give up." A generalization that I wholeheartedly believe exists way too prevalently. Even here in Romania, the "it's all hopeless," answer I get from people between 35-43 is astounding and justifies everything from not having kids to rampantly not voting.

So, to me, this is our medium-term make or break (short term is keeping our military apolitical; long term is breaking the oligarchs; big picture is stop destroying earth). We find a way to engage Millennials (and Gen Z) in the idea that, good or bad, the world is what we MAKE it (and that, at this point, they NEED to be making it, not just taking orders) or we will fail. Fail at a level that means millions of lives ended, tens of millions of lives made unbearable. We WILL become an authoritarian, submissive state and that, combined with our still stunningly-rapacious view of economics and conservation, will turn us into Shitland. Surprised Draft Kings doesn't have a betting line or that there isn't a new line of Shitland Crypto for sale. Give it a month.

IF we can invigorate our 28-43 year olds, we have a chance. By chance, I mean a chance to not become hell on earth. Something akin to what UK became post WW2--not perfect or great, but a place that still matters and is on the "good guy" side. One that can stick with Europe and keep Russia from becoming a full-fledged, larger-than-it-deserves influence on global affairs, and gives a free Europe a fighting chance against China. I think the Boomers dying will actually help improve our national mood and solidarity 15% just by HAPPENING. The key is not to burn the whole forest down before that happens. But the short term conditions for succeeding in that are not good.

As for civil conflict, I am 85% of the mind we are headed that direction, regardless of what happens. I think Trump, despite his pussified bona fides, will eventually feel trapped and act out his narcissistic vengeance on the entire world, unless he's killed or removed from office. I simply believe it's almost inevitable. I think a potentially WORSE outcome is him starting something that more adept politicos hijack for their purposes a la The Handmaid's Tale. Is there anyone in the current Trump orbit I fear is savvy and strong enough to become America's Putin? No--but that doesn't mean such a person doesn't exist. And it also doesn't mean that a failed "hard" coup doesn't kill a shitload of innocent people or still tailspin our country into the abyss.

I said it in the 201 class, and I've said it to several friends: as a former servicemember on IRR and a fighter by nature, I don't expect to live more than another 10 years unless I'm simply lucky. I don't say it hyperbolically or longingly. I don't even "accept" it. I simply see it as entirely likely given the current state of affairs. Frankly, it pisses me off.

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