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Thomas M Gregg's avatar

There's an alternate narrative in which it's the Democrats, not the Republicans, who are holding up a Ukraine aid package because that don't want to make concessions on border security. It's well explained here:

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/how-democrats-are-holding-up-a-ukraine-aid-deal/

In the article, Senator John Fetterman, no MAGA hothead, is quoted as follows: “I hope Democrats can understand that it isn’t xenophobic to be concerned about the border. It’s a reasonable conversation, and Democrats should engage.”

And then there's Senator Mitt Romney, no MAGA favorite:

"[H]ere’s the position of my side and our side. And that is we have gone from 1,000-2,000 encounters—illegal encounters—at the border a day under the three prior presidents, under Bush, Obama, and Trump — 1,000-2,000 a day. Now we’re seeing 10,000 to 12,000 a day. As Pennsylvania Senator John Fetterman said, we’re basically seeing Pittsburgh show up at the border every month, all right. We’re at a rate of incursions into the country of about four million a year. That’s larger than the population of 24 of our states. So, we want to solve that to secure the border. I just saw the President of the United States say that we’ve got to secure the border. He’s right. So, any effort that doesn’t do that will be rejected by Republicans. We want to get it back to the level that existed under the three prior presidents.”

Like it or not, the politics of aid to Ukraine and the politics of border security are linked. And though it may be argued that the former is a more important issue than the latter, that does not play politically in this country. So obviously some give-and-take is indicated. And nuts to David Frum, by the way. His argument that the Republicans are using the border security issue to cut off aid to Ukraine is b.s. That would only happen if the Biden Administration refused to compromise.

I would just add that unless the Biden Administration changes its basic policy, another aid package will be a waste of money. The reason the war has come to a stalemate is because those fools slow-walked military aid to Ukraine at a time when the Russians were on the back foot. Particularly stupid was the refusal to give Ukraine the wherewithal to seize or at least contest command of the air. That deficiency is in my opinion the main reason why Ukraine's summer counteroffensive failed to make major gains. I have little confidence that Biden & Co. have learned anything from that goof.

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Steve Fleischer's avatar

It's called horse trading.

Republicans (and a majority of Americans) want controls on the southern border.

8MM (!!!) illegals have entered the country since Biden took office and the Dems show an incredible indifference to these events (similar to the indifference that liberals show towards the rape of Jewish women on 10/7).

Schumer's offer? Ask Manchin about the value of Schumer's promises. Remember Wimpy ("I will gladly pay you tomorrow for a hamburger today.")?

Yes, let's make a deal to fund Ukraine, but let's get something that the country also needs.

I was in Western Europe for a month ended in November. They aren't interested in stepping up.

Combination of:

(1) America wants to be boss - let them pay.

(2) We can't afford it.

(3) The Russians aren't so bad, we can make a deal.

So once again, the U.S. is looking to do what the Europeans are too feckless to do themselves.

Fine, but let's get what we need out of saving their asses (again).

Cynicism (awareness?) aside, we need to give the Ukrainians the ability to win.

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