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Thomas M Gregg's avatar

I would just note that the unprecedented peace and prosperity that Trump is alleged to be destroying have been dwindling away for some twenty years now. He may, perhaps, be their gravedigger, but plenty of pallbearers have have carried those corpses to the cemetery.

What, for instance, did Obama do when V. Putin swallowed up Crimea? He tut-tutted and wrung his hands. What did Biden do when Russia invaded Ukraine proper? He talked tough, then hemmed and hawed and second-guessed himself and dribbled out just enough aid to Ukraine to prolong the war. Oh, and Obama abandoned Iraq. Biden abandoned Afghanistan. And must I really get into the Biden Administration’s utterly despicable behavior over 10/7 and the Gaza War?

Trump’s responsible for what he does, going forward. But let’s not forget who set the table for the world situation he inherited: a cabal of utterly incompetent fools.

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“The United States has a pretty good track record at winning wars…” (Robert Zubrin)

No we don’t. The United States hasn’t won a shooting war in 80 years. Maybe what Mr. Zubrin had in mind was our victory in extracting a hundred or so medical students from Granada or arresting Manuel Noriega in Panama. Or maybe what Mr. Zubrin has in mind is redefining the twin defeats in Iraq as successes. If he does, his opinion is a minority opinion. Most intelligent Americans understand that American policy in Iraq was a catastrophic failure engineered by two morons with the surname Bush.

Like Claire Berlinski, Mr. Zubrin fails to understand why the Pax Americana or the rules based liberal order is collapsing before our eyes. The authors of its demise are all Europeans not Americans.

It’s our European “allies” who are so pathetically weak that they can’t even measure up as bit players in sustaining the liberal world order. They expect the United States to single-handedly bear every burden and spare no expense in sustaining that order while they live the life of languid sybarites calling balls and strikes from the sidelines. Yet our European “friends” like Claire and Mr. Zubrin can’t understand why millions of Americans are fed-up with Europe.

The American Vice President was right; there is no liberal world order when key allies who are supposed to help sustain it arrest citizens for praying silently in the vicinity of abortion clinics. There is no liberal world order when those same key allies imprison citizens for tweets the government doesn’t like. Shouldn’t it be obvious that the liberal world order is fraying when European factotums cancel elections they’re afraid they might lose? Can we celebrate a liberal world order when secular societies that were once Christian look down on all religions but happily tolerate Islamic extremism and too often, Jew-hated? As the Vice President aptly stated, it hardly seems like a defense of a liberal world order when self-righteous defenders of that order welcome tens of millions of immigrants from nations that despise all of the most important facets of liberalism.

Can anyone think of a bigger joke than the idea that the European nations might come together to defend the liberal world order on their own? As the Vice President mentioned, Europe’s big three, the UK, France and Germany, are increasingly illiberal. Their illiberality is approaching that of Claire’s favorite bagaboo, Hungary; in fact, they may have surpassed it.

Even if Europe wasn’t increasingly illiberal, how are Europe’s “big” three supposed to police the liberal world order? The UK’s battleships won’t float. The French Army hightailed it out of Africa like scared little school girls. Germany is so hopeless and pathetic that it has nothing to contribute. Frau Merkel’s famous claim, “yes we can” seems like a cruel joke. A better credo for the Germans would be “no we can’t.”

In light of Europe’s increasingly illiberality and the disastrous condition of its military readiness, why shouldn’t the United States look to its own affairs? Focusing on our hemisphere seems far more likely to enhance American power that a vain attempt at resurrecting the European corpse.

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